09:34:00 From  Elke Aschenauer  to  Everyone:
	Congrats Ernst and Bernd
09:34:21 From  Ernst Sichtermann (he/him)  to  Everyone:
	Thank you, Elke.
09:34:26 From  Bernd Surrow  to  Everyone:
	Thank you!
10:31:06 From  Elke Aschenauer  to  Everyone:
	we have 25+ subsystems depending how you count
10:46:14 From  Ullrich,Thomas S  to  Everyone:
	So 25 DSSL + 25 DSSTC + 12 CAMs + … gets fairly large. If working boards become too big there is a tendency that smaller subgroups with key people start to meet simply to become more focussed and get things done reducing the efficiency of the bigger group. A moderate size board might be more efficient at the end.
10:47:58 From  Zhenyu Ye  to  Everyone:
	Are L4 technical contacts (project) same as CAMS
10:48:07 From  John Lajoie  to  Everyone:
	Hi Thomas - to be clear, we were envisioning the PTR as a single person, not all the CAMs.   I tend to agree with you that we may start with a combined DSSL/DSSTC in one person to start, with the knowledge that this may expand as construction money starts to flow.  With these considerations in mind you get closer to the scale of the existing GD/I
10:48:59 From  Ullrich,Thomas S  to  Everyone:
	That sounds reasonable
10:49:09 From  John Lajoie  to  Everyone:
	Zhenyu - no, CAMs must be lab employees.  The L4 technical contacts is in the project plan as exactly that, the technical contact for a specific subsystem.
10:49:49 From  Zhenyu Ye  to  Everyone:
	John. I see. So there is a possible overlap between DSSL/DSSTC (coll.) and L4 TC (project)?
10:50:31 From  John Lajoie  to  Everyone:
	Ideally the DSSL/DSSTC is the L4 TC, that's the link.
10:50:46 From  John Lajoie  to  Everyone:
	That's what we means to communicate
10:51:11 From  Zhenyu Ye  to  Everyone:
	I see. That is what I thought too as the ideal case. Thanks
10:58:11 From  Ullrich,Thomas S  to  Everyone:
	FYI: Control Account Manager = CAM = 
	Person responsible for a group of project work packages tracked for cost, schedule, and technical performance.
11:00:22 From  Zhenyu Ye  to  Everyone:
	This makes it clear what CAM is. Thanks Thomas.
11:00:30 From  Michael Murray  to  Everyone:
	Thanks Thomas
11:01:13 From  John Lajoie  to  Everyone:
	Very good point Ernst, especially the emphasis on how we organize and communicate so we can effectively bring in new collaborators
11:01:27 From  Ullrich,Thomas S  to  Everyone:
	We need a comprehensive Home Page ;-)
11:01:35 From  John Lajoie  to  Everyone:
	Yes, we do...
11:05:11 From  John Lajoie  to  Everyone:
	Thanks - we get the message, "simplify". We'll keep trying to do this consistent with the real constraints we have to face.
11:05:47 From  Christine Elizabeth Nattrass (She, Her, Hers)  to  Everyone:
	Titles and official duties are also externally recognized, which can make it more likely someone will agree to take a given role because they will get credit. Especially early career people. Yes you don't want too many cooks in the kitchen, but you also shouldn't be stingy with titles because you want people to get credit.
11:12:00 From  Elke Aschenauer  to  Everyone:
	Christine, yes but work is also acknowledged, there many good examples for this of people who made major contributions have been acknowledged for it and made a excellent career
11:13:35 From  Ullrich,Thomas S  to  Everyone:
	That was my question too
11:17:31 From  Elke Aschenauer  to  Everyone:
	but you need this for all subsystems also the calorimeters need to work in concert
11:19:20 From  John Lajoie  to  Everyone:
	True Elke but at some level it is a question of degree and where this happens.  Tracking is the example that requires this the most to my mind, PID next, etc.
11:27:28 From  Wlodek Guryn  to  John Lajoie(Direct Message):
	As a follow up, I believe that it goes without saying that you are also checking other commitments people have, like STAR, sPHENIX, ALICE to name a few.
11:28:39 From  John Lajoie  to  Wlodek Guryn(Direct Message):
	Oh yes and that is a huge problem - many people are heavily committed to other project
11:32:04 From  John Arrington  to  Everyone:
	some systems certainly require a change well before we have the TDR, but others may not have the same urgency